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		<title>Comment on Does exercise improve mental health? by Roderick Pestronk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roderick Pestronk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jun 2010 02:59:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[Note from Nigel: this comment appears to be spam but information I&#039;ve read about depression on the web site is good so I&#039;m letting the comment through.]
Hi. I found a good website about depression and bipolar disorder: http://www.lawsonclinic.com.au</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[Note from Nigel: this comment appears to be spam but information I've read about depression on the web site is good so I'm letting the comment through.]<br />
Hi. I found a good website about depression and bipolar disorder: <a href="http://www.lawsonclinic.com.au" rel="nofollow">http://www.lawsonclinic.com.au</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on No but realistically, how should depression affect a career? by Nigel</title>
		<link>http://www.nigel-leech.com/subram/2009/12/19/no-but-realistically-how-should-depression-affect-a-career/comment-page-1/#comment-19</link>
		<dc:creator>Nigel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2009 21:05:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cheers Chris.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cheers Chris.</p>
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		<title>Comment on No but realistically, how should depression affect a career? by Chris</title>
		<link>http://www.nigel-leech.com/subram/2009/12/19/no-but-realistically-how-should-depression-affect-a-career/comment-page-1/#comment-18</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 18:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The &#039;tarzan&#039; sketch is from Peter Cooke &amp; Dudley Moore - Not only but also, if I recall...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8216;tarzan&#8217; sketch is from Peter Cooke &amp; Dudley Moore &#8211; Not only but also, if I recall&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on So many people get hurt because they misunderstand what success is really about by Chris</title>
		<link>http://www.nigel-leech.com/subram/2009/10/14/so-many-people-get-hurt-because-they-misunderstand-what-success-is-really-about/comment-page-1/#comment-15</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 17:40:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Or, as one eminent individual once said, &quot;Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or, as one eminent individual once said, &#8220;Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>Comment on 59 coming up 60 and looking back at a weird kid by Chris</title>
		<link>http://www.nigel-leech.com/subram/2009/09/28/59-coming-up-60-and-looking-back-at-a-weird-kid/comment-page-1/#comment-14</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 12:42:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How curious is that... I was the precise opposite of Jenny - I spotted you sitting down pretty much as soon as I looked at the picture...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How curious is that&#8230; I was the precise opposite of Jenny &#8211; I spotted you sitting down pretty much as soon as I looked at the picture&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Second best is often good enough by Chris</title>
		<link>http://www.nigel-leech.com/subram/2009/09/09/second-best-is-often-good-enough/comment-page-1/#comment-12</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 07:02:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, well said that man - I wish I had had that clarity of explanation a few years back because your tale has parallels in businesses. You see, there was a small group of (extremely skilled) guys in my business who - whenever we got a project in - would always want to do the tip-toppermost job on it. The problem was that I knew how long it would take me to do, quoted on that basis, and then discovered they would take twice as long. Even when quizzed about this, the response was usually &quot;Well, you quote what you like that will get the customer to pay, but it will take X days whatever you quote for - we refuse to do the work unless we can do it properly.&quot;

They simply couldn&#039;t get into their heads that there is a sliding scale in the quality of project delivery and that it&#039;s important to hit the sweet spot on it. 

At one end there is &#039;Useless, this has made things worse, I&#039;m not paying you at all, and in fact I&#039;ll probably sue you.&#039;, and at the other end there is &#039;This is the &lt;i&gt;best&lt;/i&gt; possible job that could have been done - no stone has been left unturned and the engineer is clearly capable of leaping tall buildings in a single bound.&#039;. The difficulty is that neither is commercially workable - the first is clearly disastrous, and the second will probably make you a loss, or at best break even - which is no good for paying the bills.

What is needed is a happy half-way house where the customer is just slightly more than contented (i.e. he can see some quality in the work that is more than &#039;average&#039; for the money he&#039;s being asked to pay), but which doesn&#039;t necessarily have all the finesse that a wine connoisseur will detect in a vintage bottle of Krug. It&#039;s about the balance between customer happiness (for which read &#039;propensity to come back next time he wants something and/or recommend you to someone else&#039;) and cold, hard, cash. On a first job for a customer, you might err slightly - and I do only mean &lt;i&gt;slightly&lt;/i&gt; towards the &#039;tip top&#039; end of the spectrum.

(Incidentally, the &#039;tip top&#039; job can be counter-productive too - if it takes longer than the customer wants then it may be perceived as wasting &lt;i&gt;his&lt;/i&gt; time, which is Very Bad.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, well said that man &#8211; I wish I had had that clarity of explanation a few years back because your tale has parallels in businesses. You see, there was a small group of (extremely skilled) guys in my business who &#8211; whenever we got a project in &#8211; would always want to do the tip-toppermost job on it. The problem was that I knew how long it would take me to do, quoted on that basis, and then discovered they would take twice as long. Even when quizzed about this, the response was usually &#8220;Well, you quote what you like that will get the customer to pay, but it will take X days whatever you quote for &#8211; we refuse to do the work unless we can do it properly.&#8221;</p>
<p>They simply couldn&#8217;t get into their heads that there is a sliding scale in the quality of project delivery and that it&#8217;s important to hit the sweet spot on it. </p>
<p>At one end there is &#8216;Useless, this has made things worse, I&#8217;m not paying you at all, and in fact I&#8217;ll probably sue you.&#8217;, and at the other end there is &#8216;This is the <i>best</i> possible job that could have been done &#8211; no stone has been left unturned and the engineer is clearly capable of leaping tall buildings in a single bound.&#8217;. The difficulty is that neither is commercially workable &#8211; the first is clearly disastrous, and the second will probably make you a loss, or at best break even &#8211; which is no good for paying the bills.</p>
<p>What is needed is a happy half-way house where the customer is just slightly more than contented (i.e. he can see some quality in the work that is more than &#8216;average&#8217; for the money he&#8217;s being asked to pay), but which doesn&#8217;t necessarily have all the finesse that a wine connoisseur will detect in a vintage bottle of Krug. It&#8217;s about the balance between customer happiness (for which read &#8216;propensity to come back next time he wants something and/or recommend you to someone else&#8217;) and cold, hard, cash. On a first job for a customer, you might err slightly &#8211; and I do only mean <i>slightly</i> towards the &#8216;tip top&#8217; end of the spectrum.</p>
<p>(Incidentally, the &#8216;tip top&#8217; job can be counter-productive too &#8211; if it takes longer than the customer wants then it may be perceived as wasting <i>his</i> time, which is Very Bad.)</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why do we so often reject the truth? (Ignaz Semmelweis &#8211; 2) by John B</title>
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		<dc:creator>John B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 03:53:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is astonishing.  I have never heard this story until today.  After reading the Wiki and this post, I find it so odd to know that someone who changed the world so much, died from possibly an asylum beating.  He saved so many lives through his discovery, yet because he had an inability to communicate properly provide an attractive behavior, many rejected him.

What lessons can we learn from someone like this who now has a House memorial and a Medical University named after him?  He still died of a beating in a crazy house, committed by a &quot;friend&quot; who took his job after his death, and up to his death was considered an &quot;adulturing, alcoholic.&quot;  What will we do differently?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is astonishing.  I have never heard this story until today.  After reading the Wiki and this post, I find it so odd to know that someone who changed the world so much, died from possibly an asylum beating.  He saved so many lives through his discovery, yet because he had an inability to communicate properly provide an attractive behavior, many rejected him.</p>
<p>What lessons can we learn from someone like this who now has a House memorial and a Medical University named after him?  He still died of a beating in a crazy house, committed by a &#8220;friend&#8221; who took his job after his death, and up to his death was considered an &#8220;adulturing, alcoholic.&#8221;  What will we do differently?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Do lawyers understand maths? by Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 19:19:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right, I have now had a think. My points are these:

The reason people have contracts is to define and enforce expectations, and provide a legal remedy when things go wrong. To take the view that when things go wrong &quot;we&#039;ll sort it out between us&quot; necessitates that you will agree with the other party what is the &quot;right&quot; thing to do when there is a problem in your agreement.

The difficulty with that approach is that the very fact that something has gone wrong is usually a sign that you haven&#039;t agreed something properly - so what makes you think you&#039;ll be able to sort it out, especially when there is potentially a large sum of money at stake? A woolly contract is therefore worse than no contract at all... If you&#039;re going to work on trust that you can sort the problems out between you (I&#039;d suggest you can&#039;t in most circumstances, by the way) then why bother with a contract? Or, expressed in the alternative, if you don&#039;t want an appropriate contract which helps you when things go wrong, what does that say about your perception of the value of what you&#039;re contracting over?

I would say, however, that it is important to impose commercially appropriate limits on the effort put into the minutiae of the drafting. However, &quot;We&#039;ll sort it out amicably when things go wrong&quot; is, in my submission, neither commercially workable nor appropriate! (If things have gone wrong, there is not a lot of chance of amicability!)

My final point is that I think your estimation of the risk of exposure due to inadequate drafting is at least an order of magnitude low, and that the seriousness of the consequences aren&#039;t possible to quantify in the way that you&#039;ve illustrated - so the overall risk would be unknown, but considerably more than you suggest. A missing factor is the value of the transaction - not just to you, but to the other party - because this has a significant effect on the absolute value of the risk when it materialises.

And don&#039;t worry, I am - indeed - smiling :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right, I have now had a think. My points are these:</p>
<p>The reason people have contracts is to define and enforce expectations, and provide a legal remedy when things go wrong. To take the view that when things go wrong &#8220;we&#8217;ll sort it out between us&#8221; necessitates that you will agree with the other party what is the &#8220;right&#8221; thing to do when there is a problem in your agreement.</p>
<p>The difficulty with that approach is that the very fact that something has gone wrong is usually a sign that you haven&#8217;t agreed something properly &#8211; so what makes you think you&#8217;ll be able to sort it out, especially when there is potentially a large sum of money at stake? A woolly contract is therefore worse than no contract at all&#8230; If you&#8217;re going to work on trust that you can sort the problems out between you (I&#8217;d suggest you can&#8217;t in most circumstances, by the way) then why bother with a contract? Or, expressed in the alternative, if you don&#8217;t want an appropriate contract which helps you when things go wrong, what does that say about your perception of the value of what you&#8217;re contracting over?</p>
<p>I would say, however, that it is important to impose commercially appropriate limits on the effort put into the minutiae of the drafting. However, &#8220;We&#8217;ll sort it out amicably when things go wrong&#8221; is, in my submission, neither commercially workable nor appropriate! (If things have gone wrong, there is not a lot of chance of amicability!)</p>
<p>My final point is that I think your estimation of the risk of exposure due to inadequate drafting is at least an order of magnitude low, and that the seriousness of the consequences aren&#8217;t possible to quantify in the way that you&#8217;ve illustrated &#8211; so the overall risk would be unknown, but considerably more than you suggest. A missing factor is the value of the transaction &#8211; not just to you, but to the other party &#8211; because this has a significant effect on the absolute value of the risk when it materialises.</p>
<p>And don&#8217;t worry, I am &#8211; indeed &#8211; smiling <img src='http://www.nigel-leech.com/subram/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on Do lawyers understand maths? by Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 08:51:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Sir

This is the rapid response you were expecting (hereinafter &quot;the Response&quot;).

A more fullsome response which will add to the Response will be forthcoming in due course when I have considered in more detail how to respond. In the meantime, I do hope the Response meets with your approval.

Yours faithfully, 

etc. etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Sir</p>
<p>This is the rapid response you were expecting (hereinafter &#8220;the Response&#8221;).</p>
<p>A more fullsome response which will add to the Response will be forthcoming in due course when I have considered in more detail how to respond. In the meantime, I do hope the Response meets with your approval.</p>
<p>Yours faithfully, </p>
<p>etc. etc.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Change to how often I post by Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 07:40:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Or if you use the Firefox browser, the &#039;Brief&#039; extension is excellent - you just click on the RSS links on blogs and put them on your bookmarks toolbar, and brief will check them all ever so often. Then it just puts a little orange symbol in the bottom right of your browser when there&#039;s something to read...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or if you use the Firefox browser, the &#8216;Brief&#8217; extension is excellent &#8211; you just click on the RSS links on blogs and put them on your bookmarks toolbar, and brief will check them all ever so often. Then it just puts a little orange symbol in the bottom right of your browser when there&#8217;s something to read&#8230;</p>
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